Remember when they promised the next ice age was imminent in the 1970’s ? Scared the crap out everyone. I was barely old enough to read then . I read an opposing view to it back then and it made complete sense.
That’s when I knew they were full of chit. I certainly never bought the global warming BS either.
I was a small child and and able to decipher fact from fiction, yet here we are with so many seemingly “ intelligent adults “ ( many drunk on advanced degrees) that are just plain morons.
Very good analysis of the true state of climate science. Everywhere we look today we find ourselves surrounded with ignorance and anti-science. Anti-science is whatever is deemed to be good for the corporate bottom lines. Except it isn't even this - believing in and acting on what is not only counter evolutionary and possibly suicidal for life on the planet will not be ultimately good for anyone's bottom line. In the Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn is pretty clear about what good science is and isn't. It isn't generally some popularized fictional account of our imaginations. It certainly depends on the scope of our imaginations but not this fantasized, homogenized malarky the WEF promotes.
the co2 thing always seemed like a manufactured narrative. and scientists in the family have been talking about zero consensus.
also wondering about whether COVID obfuscated the biologic impact of 5G rollout & did injections compound the impact of 5G rollout... very little discussion about 5G.
Climate "science" takes the perturbations of weather supposedly caused by human activity and extrapolates them to make predictions about the future, without taking into consideration the much larger effects of the earth's orbit, the sun's output and a vast array of variables we know little about such as interstellar space, the earth's core etc. It's like measuring the slope of a sign wave at 0 degrees, finding it to be 1 and concluding that at 90 degrees y = 2x when in fact it will be 0.
This is the hubris that man is all powerful, all knowing, and has dominion over nature.
There s a lot going on with weather, and if one "throws out a few data points", it can look one-sided. Global warming was looking like a thing a decade ago, but the predictions for the decade we just had fell flat.
There have been mini and micro ice-ages in the northern hemisphere in the last few hundred years, and larger events 900 years ago that wee devastating, such as the one that wiped out the Anasazi.
There is just a lot going on.
Global warming was cnvenient because it aligns with reductions in economically obtainabe oil, but politicians still get to lie. They are paralyzed without a false control-narrative. The truth is too uncontrollable.
sigh...
RFK Jr.shows his integrity daily, and has done so for decades. He's willing to die, or he wouldn't be doing this.
The US needs a president with integrity and some autonomy to negotiate in the times we have already entered.
Some countries have such chief executives. The USA has Joe Biden with an earpice giving him words to say, and maybe with Barack Obama on the other end of the feed at critical times, the times when Joe speaks "better".
You're referring to the recent news that RFK Jr is running for president.
I don't question his integrity. But I do wonder if this isn't exactly what the WEF wants, someone to push the CO2 agenda, which would necessarily push the WEF agenda. Think long-term goals: maybe not in five years but in 10 or 20.
I'm not sure people understand how important the theory of CO2 catastrophe is to the new world order. It's essential. It's the "stay safe" to beat all stay safes.
I also don't understand how Kennedy can be so blind of the CO2 issue.
Thank You, Jim. Global warming is one of the more gradual and less threatening aspects of The Limits To Growth implications for the time we have entered, the time of stagnation and decline of global industrial economy.
Deng Xiaopeng reportedly read The Limits To Growth, and considered it carefully, as he charted a path to the top for China. I became aware of the 1972 book, and it's computer-generated projections for global human economy, pollution, births, deaths, food per capita and so on, in 1974, in 10th grade, when we discussed it for a period in class.
It has been tracking pretty well. I think most of the "owners' accept it, and I think there are oil reserves that are "not for us" in some places.
The "owners" might see themselves as doing us a favor by the soft-culling of humans which is now underway. Their only tool is culling the lower classes of the herds they own, so it's the best they can do.
Can we transcend the apex-predator model of human political-economy?
The best I can do is grow vegetables, ride a bike, help family, share ideas, and seek divine guidance daily.
With my very limited perspective there seems valid reasons for being suspect of anyone running for president these days. From what I'm able to discern they all have abundant issues. But then what else would anyone expect of a natural born skeptic?
R. Kennedy seems to have many admirable qualities from what I can gather. His stance on the vaccines is certainly great. There have been some associations here on SS I haven't appreciated but that is not such a big deal to potentially explain and overcome. Nobody's perfect.
Exactly. It's Whitehead's fallacy of misplaced concreteness. I'd say that it was model outputs taken as real, when they're just model outputs: abstractions. Worse, model outputs are trumping actual measurements. That's how screwed up we are.
The argument made by such a model violates all three of Aristotle's Laws of Though but is dressed up by its application of the Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness to look like it satisfies all three of these Laws!
Remember when they promised the next ice age was imminent in the 1970’s ? Scared the crap out everyone. I was barely old enough to read then . I read an opposing view to it back then and it made complete sense.
That’s when I knew they were full of chit. I certainly never bought the global warming BS either.
I was a small child and and able to decipher fact from fiction, yet here we are with so many seemingly “ intelligent adults “ ( many drunk on advanced degrees) that are just plain morons.
That’s about the gist of it.
Very good analysis of the true state of climate science. Everywhere we look today we find ourselves surrounded with ignorance and anti-science. Anti-science is whatever is deemed to be good for the corporate bottom lines. Except it isn't even this - believing in and acting on what is not only counter evolutionary and possibly suicidal for life on the planet will not be ultimately good for anyone's bottom line. In the Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn is pretty clear about what good science is and isn't. It isn't generally some popularized fictional account of our imaginations. It certainly depends on the scope of our imaginations but not this fantasized, homogenized malarky the WEF promotes.
Nailed it, KW. I just found this Substack and it rocks.
very interesting!
the co2 thing always seemed like a manufactured narrative. and scientists in the family have been talking about zero consensus.
also wondering about whether COVID obfuscated the biologic impact of 5G rollout & did injections compound the impact of 5G rollout... very little discussion about 5G.
We can add 5G to our concerns! RFK, Jr. has written quite a bit about this. I haven't been following so closely
can barely keep up myself. meow.
5 G is not a threat to your health. Alcohol is 1000 times more dangerous to your health.
Climate "science" takes the perturbations of weather supposedly caused by human activity and extrapolates them to make predictions about the future, without taking into consideration the much larger effects of the earth's orbit, the sun's output and a vast array of variables we know little about such as interstellar space, the earth's core etc. It's like measuring the slope of a sign wave at 0 degrees, finding it to be 1 and concluding that at 90 degrees y = 2x when in fact it will be 0.
This is the hubris that man is all powerful, all knowing, and has dominion over nature.
There s a lot going on with weather, and if one "throws out a few data points", it can look one-sided. Global warming was looking like a thing a decade ago, but the predictions for the decade we just had fell flat.
There have been mini and micro ice-ages in the northern hemisphere in the last few hundred years, and larger events 900 years ago that wee devastating, such as the one that wiped out the Anasazi.
There is just a lot going on.
Global warming was cnvenient because it aligns with reductions in economically obtainabe oil, but politicians still get to lie. They are paralyzed without a false control-narrative. The truth is too uncontrollable.
sigh...
RFK Jr.shows his integrity daily, and has done so for decades. He's willing to die, or he wouldn't be doing this.
The US needs a president with integrity and some autonomy to negotiate in the times we have already entered.
Some countries have such chief executives. The USA has Joe Biden with an earpice giving him words to say, and maybe with Barack Obama on the other end of the feed at critical times, the times when Joe speaks "better".
You're referring to the recent news that RFK Jr is running for president.
I don't question his integrity. But I do wonder if this isn't exactly what the WEF wants, someone to push the CO2 agenda, which would necessarily push the WEF agenda. Think long-term goals: maybe not in five years but in 10 or 20.
I'm not sure people understand how important the theory of CO2 catastrophe is to the new world order. It's essential. It's the "stay safe" to beat all stay safes.
I also don't understand how Kennedy can be so blind of the CO2 issue.
Thank You, Jim. Global warming is one of the more gradual and less threatening aspects of The Limits To Growth implications for the time we have entered, the time of stagnation and decline of global industrial economy.
Deng Xiaopeng reportedly read The Limits To Growth, and considered it carefully, as he charted a path to the top for China. I became aware of the 1972 book, and it's computer-generated projections for global human economy, pollution, births, deaths, food per capita and so on, in 1974, in 10th grade, when we discussed it for a period in class.
It has been tracking pretty well. I think most of the "owners' accept it, and I think there are oil reserves that are "not for us" in some places.
The "owners" might see themselves as doing us a favor by the soft-culling of humans which is now underway. Their only tool is culling the lower classes of the herds they own, so it's the best they can do.
Can we transcend the apex-predator model of human political-economy?
The best I can do is grow vegetables, ride a bike, help family, share ideas, and seek divine guidance daily.
With my very limited perspective there seems valid reasons for being suspect of anyone running for president these days. From what I'm able to discern they all have abundant issues. But then what else would anyone expect of a natural born skeptic?
Agreed. This is a time for careful skepticism, but not nihilism. It's hard.
Bobby Jr. has deep reasons to fight honorably, and he appears to be ready to die, as did his father and uncle We shall see.
I agree that he needs to steer clear of falsehoods. I don't happen to have his ear, myself...
R. Kennedy seems to have many admirable qualities from what I can gather. His stance on the vaccines is certainly great. There have been some associations here on SS I haven't appreciated but that is not such a big deal to potentially explain and overcome. Nobody's perfect.
Global warming is not a thing... If it was you would just reach for the evidence and that doesn't exist.. That is fake news what you have
Exactly. It's Whitehead's fallacy of misplaced concreteness. I'd say that it was model outputs taken as real, when they're just model outputs: abstractions. Worse, model outputs are trumping actual measurements. That's how screwed up we are.
The argument made by such a model violates all three of Aristotle's Laws of Though but is dressed up by its application of the Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness to look like it satisfies all three of these Laws!
City dwelling IT folks love their computer models, paler than ghosts, they rarely see a tree let alone the forest.
By application of this fallacy one can dress up a pseudo-science to look like a science.